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Coffee Envy's avatar

I think ALL immigration laws are based on racism. What other reason could it possibly be? Any law that favors people from one country over another is looking at who lives in those countries. It’s judging by ethnicity. Everything else is a dog whistle. Strong borders. Job protections. Just excuses. The proponents only object when it’s people different from them (in ethnicity or religion) coming in.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

You’re preaching to the choir, Steve. The data shows that when as a nation you close off lawful pathways to enter a country, unlawful entries spike. Want to stop the shady stuff? Create more legitimate pathways. But they don’t actually want to reduce unlawful entries. Detention is big business.

FutureVisions_'s avatar

They don’t want to create lawful entry because … at some level immigrants are slaves. Little opportunity, low pay, no worker protections, coercive situations (do or I’ll report you and family to “authorities”), and violence against them if they don’t assimilate “fast enough.”

Pablo Andreu's avatar

Yep and they demonize and dehumanize to justify all of it.

Coffee Envy's avatar

I’m reading 📖 a book and came across this quote from Republican Senator William Frisbee Hoar (Mass) in 1882:

Hoar said that immigration restrictions should be based on only “an inquiry into the character of the individual applicant, and not be looking at the color of his skin.”

I couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately we’re nowhere close to that ever happening.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

Nope. We've been doing it for so long. It's hard to break patterns.

Krasnov's avatar

We definitely should mock them, always mock a Nazi with every opportunity.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

No safe spaces for Nazis.

Krasnov's avatar

💥💥

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Krasnov's avatar

New material? Are you still screaming “Lock Her Up!” like a moron 10 years later Nazi? 😆😆

ardy doublebee's avatar

Medhi is fabulous. He can debate the crap out of anyone. Frat Boys prove out to be horrid and obnoxious, as always.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

He’s razor-sharp and returns the energy he receives. Notice his tone was very different with the DACA recipient.

C. Jacobs's avatar

I also think engaging these characters to this kind of round robin debate is counterproductive. Even if frat boy got owned, he's not leaving there anymore enlightened than before the debate clock started ticking. You noted it yourself with his doubling down on embracing white supremacy, yelling to Mehdi that he has to go as he walked away. All that happened is that racists got a chance to beat off to seeing other racists platformed to brazenly utter their favorite slogans.

The palefaced descendant of immigrants who desperately craved admission to America, then sought welcome after arrival, tells a Brown immigrant he's unwelcome and he's gotta go. This same guy will take a trip to Punta Cana and complain, claiming that the locals didn't really welcome Americans if they don't fawn all over him like some divine gift.

It's that egotistical hypocrisy that maybe drives me nuts the most. That guy thinks his useless, punk ass arriving in a Black or Brown country is some kind of godsend. He looks at an accomplished Brown man gaining citizenship in his home country as some kind of devaluation. Foolishness all day.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

I agree that these goons are not coming out of there any more enlightened, but there may be some social utility to exposing these assholes. I'm conflicted, as is Mehdi Hasan himself, who said as much in a few post-mortem interviews following the Jubilee debate. I think there are pros and cons. It's worth listening to his take on it (he did a debrief on The Bulwark that's worth watching).

C. Jacobs's avatar

Thanks for the Bulwark reference. I'll need to go check that out. Or should I say, merci?

Pablo Andreu's avatar

Gesundheit! (I’m screwed.)

C. Jacobs's avatar

😄

The Angry Yogi's avatar

The below is the best essay I've read on why it's important to debate intolerant people.

https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/mehdi-hassans-masterclass-in-democratic

Pablo Andreu's avatar

Thanks for sharing. I'll check it out.

SomeNYDude (he/him)'s avatar

The US will realize that there are a lot of other countries out there. Those who can leave are leaving. Those that stay will resist the fascists, and the fascists will lose for the third time.

This country was built on slavery and stealing land.

Good for Mr. Hasan taking on these white nationalists. It works the opposite too, when the magas get beat down the Overton window reverses.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

The Overton Window phenomenon is tricky to navigate, but I do think Hasan pulled it off, in spite of Jubilee maybe not fully briefing him. The overwhelming majority of people online have mercilessly ridiculed these fascists.

SomeNYDude (he/him)'s avatar

Good, and as they are fragile babies ridicule, humor, and satire are great to take them down a few pegs.

Nicole James's avatar

Hey, thanks for the shout!

Pablo Andreu's avatar

It’s a good piece. I like your writing style.

Fathermucker's avatar

Frat Boy should be named and shamed, as should the other 19 of his friends. I'm surprised this hasn't been done yet.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

Many of their social media profiles were linked to in the original Jubilee video, though I couldn’t find Frat Boy’s at the time.

Linda Palmer's avatar

Shame

BB's avatar

This was astounding to watch, same when Sam Seder from The Majority Report did his jubilee, just stunning levels of ignorance.

Robert  Taylor's avatar

Good luck dealing with all these deplorables

jeech's avatar

may I punch him please

Pablo Andreu's avatar

YES…ahem, sorry was that too loud?

Arturo Dominguez's avatar

How did I not know we were both born in the same city? What a trip.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

Wait, you were born in Hoboken?? You're in Houston, right? Did you spend any time in or around Hoboken growing up?

Arturo Dominguez's avatar

I did but I was really little. I grew up in Union City until 1990/91 or so.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

BRO I went to school in Union City from 86-95 and lived there for a while.

Arturo Dominguez's avatar

Bro, this is weird. But cool.

Fathermucker's avatar

BTW you tagged the wrong Nicole James in your article. The person you linked to is not an active account.

Pablo Andreu's avatar

Thanks. I’ll correct.

Unacceptable Bob's avatar

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Lack of accountability/impunity for those in power leads to unwanted behaviour. Why would we want to encourage more of the same for ordinary citizens?